CHAPTER X
Books. The table in Anthony's room was covered with
them. The five folio volumes of Bayle, in the English edition of 1738. Rickaby's translation of the Summa contra Gentiles. De Gourmont's
Probl่me du Style. The Way of Perfection. Dostoevsky's Notes from
Underground. Three volumes of Byron's Letters. The works of
If only, Anthony thought as he came in from his walk, if only
one had two sets of eyes! Janus would be able to read Candide
and the Imitation simultaneously.
Life was so short, and books so countlessly
many. He pored voluptuously over the
table, opening at random now one volume, now
another. 'He would not lie down,' he
read; 'then his neck was too large for the aperture, and the priest was obliged
to drown his exclamations by still louder exhortations. The head was off before the eye could trace
the blow; but from an attempt to draw back the head, notwithstanding it was
held forward by the hair, the first head was cut off close to the ears; the
other two were taken off more cleanly.
The first turned me quite hot and thirsty and made me shake so that I
could hardly hold the opera glass
' 'Happiness being the peculiar good of an
intelligent nature, must attach to the intelligent nature on the side of
something that is peculiar to it. But
appetite is not peculiar to intelligent nature, but is found in all things,
though diversely in diverse beings. The
will, as being an appetite, is not a peculiar appurtenance of an intelligent
nature, except so far as it is dependent on the intelligence; but intelligence
in itself is peculiar to an intelligent nature.
Happiness therefore consists in an act of the intellect substantially
and principally rather than in an act of the will
' 'Even in my most secret
soul I have never been able to think of love as anything but a struggle, which
begins with hatred and ends with moral subjection
' '
I will not be a cuckold, I say; there will be a danger in making me a
cuckold. Why, wert thou well cured of
thy last clap?
' 'La primera noche o purgaci๓n es amarga
y terrible para el sentido,
In the end, Anthony
settled down to The Way of Perfection of St Teresa. When Brian came in, an hour later, he had got
as far as the Prayer of Quiet.
'B-busy?' Brian asked.
Anthony shook his head.
The other sat down. 'I c-came to s-see if there was anything more to s-settle about
to-m-morrow.' Mrs
Foxe and John Thursley, Mr and Mrs Beavis were coming
down to
Hock or Sauterne cup? Lobster mayonnaise or cold salmon? And if it rained, what would be the best
thing to do in the afternoon?
'Are you c-coming to the F-fabians
this evening?' Brian asked, when the discussion of the
next day's plans was at an end.
'Of course,' said Anthony.
There was to be voting, that evening, for next term's president. 'It'll be a close fight between you and Mark Staithes. You'll need
all the votes you can
'
Interrupting him, 'I've st-stood
down,' said Brian.
'Stood down? But why?'
'V-various reasons.'
Anthony looked at him and shook his head. 'Not that I'd have ever dreamt of putting
up,' he said. 'Can't
imagine anything more boring than to preside over any kind of organization.' Even belonging to an organization was bad
enough. Why should one be bullied into
making choices when one didn't want to choose; into binding oneself to a set of
principles when it was so essential to be free; into committing oneself to
associate with other people when as likely as not one would want to be alone;
into promising in advance to be at given places at given times? It was with the greatest difficulty that
Brian had persuaded him to join the Fabians; for the rest he was
unattached. 'Inconceivably boring,' he
insisted. 'But still, once in the
running, why stand down?'
'Mark'll be a b-better president than
I.'
'He'll be ruder, if that's what you mean.'
'B-besides, he was so a-awfully k-keen on g-getting elected,'
Brian began; then broke off, suddenly conscience-stricken. Anthony might think he was implying a
criticism of Mark Staithes, was assuming the right to
patronize him. 'I mean, he kn-knows
he'll do the j-job so well,' he went on quickly. 'W-whereas I
So I r-really didn't see why
'
'In fact you thought you might as well humour
him.
'No, n-no!' cried Brian in a tone of distress. 'Not th-that.'
'Cock of the dunghill,' Anthony continued, ignoring the other's
protest. 'He's got to be cock even if
it's only of the tiniest little Fabian dunghill.' He laughed.
'Poor old Mark!
What an agony when he can't get to the top of his dunghill! One's lucky to prefer books.' He patted St Teresa affectionately. 'Still, I wish you hadn't stood down. It would have made me laugh to see Mark
trying to pretend he didn't mind when you'd beaten him. You're reading a paper, aren't you,' he went
on, 'after the voting?'
Relieved by the change of subject, Brian nodded. 'On Syn
' he
began.
'On sin?'
'Synd-dicalism.'
They both laughed.
'Odd, when you come to think of it,' said Anthony when their
laughter subsided, 'that the mere notion of talking to socialists about sin
should seem so
well, so outrageous, really.
Sin
socialism.' He shook his head. 'It's like mating a duck with a zebra.'
'You could t-talk about sin if you st-started
from the other end.'
'Which end?'
'The s-social end. O-organizing s-society so well that the i-individual simply c-couldn't
commit any sins.'
'But do you honestly think such a society could exist?'
'P-perhaps,' said Brian doubtfully, but reflected that social
change could hardly abolish those ignoble desires of his, couldn't even
legitimate those desires, except within certain conventional limits. He shook his head. 'N-no, I don't kn-know,' he concluded.
'I can't see that you could do more than just transfer people's
sins from one plane to another. But
we've done that already. Take envy and
ambition, for example. They used to
express themselves on the plane of physical violence. Now, we've reorganized society in such a way
that they have to express themselves for the most part in terms of economic
competition.'
'Which we're g-going to ab-abolish.'
'And so bring physical violence back into fashion, eh?'
'Th-that's why you h-hope,
d-don't you?' said Brian; and laughing, 'You're awful!' he added.
There was a silence.
Absently, Brian picked up The Way of \Perfection, and, turning
over the pages, read a line here, a paragraph there. Then with a sigh he shut the book, put it
back in its place and, shaking his head, 'I c-can't understand,' he said, 'why
you read this sort of st-stuff. S-seeing that you d-don't
b-believe in it.'
'But I do believe,' Anthony insisted. 'Not in the orthodox explanation, of
course. Those are obviously
idiotic. But in the
facts. And in
the fundamental metaphysical theory of mysticism.'
'You m-mean that you can g-get at t-truth by
some s-sort of d-direct union with it?'
Anthony nodded. 'And the most valuable and important sort of truth only in that
way.'
Brian sat for a time in silence, his elbows on his knees, his long face between his hands, staring at the floor. Then, without looking up, 'It s-seems to me,'
he said at last, 'that you're r-running with the h-hare and the h-h-h
and the
h-h
'
'Hunting for the hounds,' Anthony supplied.
The other nodded. 'Using
sc-scepticism against r-religion ag-against any s-sort of i-idealism,
really,' he added, thinking of the barbed mockery with which Anthony loved to puncture
any enthusiasm that seemed to him excessive.
'And using th-this st-stuff' he pointed to The
Way of Perfection 'a-against s-scientific argument, when it s-suits your
b-b-b
' 'book' refused to come: 'when it s-suits you bee-double-o-kay.'
Anthony relit his pipe before answering. 'Well, why shouldn't one make the beset of
both worlds?' he asked, as he threw the spent match into the grate. 'Of all the worlds. Why not?'
'W-well, c-consistency, s-single-mindedness
'
'But I don't value single-mindedness. I value completeness. I think it's one's duty to develop all one's
potentialities all of them. Not
stupidly stick to only one.
Single-minded-ness!' he repeated.
'But oysters are single-minded.
Ants are single-minded.'
'S-so are s-saints.'
'Well, that only confirms my determination not to be a saint.'
'B-but h-how can you d-do anything if you're not
s-single-minded? It's the f-first cond-dition of any ach-achievement.'
'Who tells you I want to achieve anything?' asked Anthony. 'I don't.
I want to be, completely.
And I want to know. And so
far as getting to know is doing, I accept the conditions of it,
single-mindedly.' With the stem of his
pipe he indicated the books on the table.
'You d-don't accept the c-conditions of th-that
kind of kn-knowing,' Brian retorted, pointing once
more at The Way of Perfection.
'P-praying and f-fasting and all th-that.'
'Because it isn't knowing; it's a
special kind of experience. There's all
the difference in the world between knowing and experiencing. Between learning algebra,
for example, and going to bed with a woman.'
Brian did not smile.
Still staring at the floor, 'B-but you th-think,'
he said, 'that m-mystical experience b-brings one into c-contact with truth?'
'And so does going to bed.'
'D-does it?' Brian forced himself to ask. He disliked this sort of conversation,
disliked it more than ever now that he was in love with Joan in love, and yet
(he hated himself for it) desiring her basely, wrongly
'If it's the right woman,' the other answered with an airy
knowingness, as though he had experimented with every kind of female. In fact, though he would have been ashamed to
admit it, he was a virgin.
'S-so you needn't b-bother about the f-fasting,' said Brian,
suddenly ironical.
Anthony grinned. 'I'm
quite content with only knowing about the way of perfection,' he said.
'I think I should w-want to exp-experience it too,' said Brian,
after a pause.
Anthony shook his head.
'Not worth the price,' he said. 'That's
the trouble of all single-minded activity; it costs you your liberty. You find yourself driven into a corner. You're a prisoner.'
'But if you w-want to be f-free, you've g-got to be a
p-prisoner. It's the c-condition of
freedom t-true freedom.'
'True freedom!' Anthony repeated in
the parody of a clerical voice. 'I
always love that kind of argument. The
contrary of a thing isn't the contrary; oh, dear me, no! It's the thing itself, but as it truly
is. Ask a diehard what conservatism is;
he'll tell you it's true socialism. And the brewers' trade papers; they're full
of articles about the beauty of True Temperance. Ordinary temperance is just gross refusal to
drink; but true temperance, true temperance is something much
more refined. True temperance is a
bottle of claret with each meal and three double whiskies after dinner. Personally, I'm all for true temperance,
because I hate temperance. But I like
being free. So I won't have anything to
do with true freedom.'
'Which doesn't p-prevent it from being t-true freedom,' the
other obstinately insisted.
'What's in a name?' Anthony went on. 'The answer is, Practically
everything, if the name's a good one.
Freedom's a marvellous name. That's why you're
so anxious to make use of it. You think
that, if you call imprisonment true freedom, people will be attracted to the
prison. And the worst of it is you're
quite right. The name counts more with
most people than the thing. They'll
follow the man who repeats it most often and in the loudest voice. And of course True Freedom is actually a
better name than freedom tout court.
Truth it's one of the magical words.
Combine it with the magic of freedom and the effect's terrific.' After a moment's silence, 'Curious,' he went
on, digressively and in another tone, 'that people don't talk about true
truth,' he repeated experimentally. 'No,
it obviously won't do. It's like beri-beri, or Wagga-Wagga. Nigger talk. You couldn't take it seriously. If you want to make the contrary of truth acceptable,
you've got to call it spiritual truth, or inner truth, or higher truth, or even
'
'But a m-moment ago you were s-saying
that there w-was a k-kind of higher truth. S-something you could only g-get at
m-mystically. You're c-contradicting
yourself.'
Anthony laughed. 'That's
one of the privileges of freedom.
Besides,' he added, more seriously, 'there's that distinction between
knowing and experiencing. Known truth
isn't the same as experienced truth.
There ought to be two distinct words.'
'You m-manage to wr-wriggle
out of e-everything.'
'Not out of everything,' Anthony insisted. 'There'll always be those.' He pointed again to the books. 'Always knowledge. The prison of knowledge because of course
knowledge is also a prison. But I shall
always be ready to stay in that prison.'
'A-always?' Brian questioned.
'Why not?'
'Too m-much of a l-luxury.'
'On the contrary. It's a case of scorning delights and living
laborious days.'
'Which are thems-selves del-lightful.'
'Of course. But mayn't one take pleasure in one's work?'
Brian nodded. 'It's not
exactly th-that,'
he said. 'One doesn't w-want to exp-ploit one's p-privileges.'
'Mine's only a little one,' said Anthony. 'About six pounds a week,' he added,
specifying the income that had come to him from his mother.'
'P-plus all the r-rest.'
'Which rest?'
'The l-luck that you happen to l-like this
sort of thing.' He reached out
and touched the folio Bayles. 'And all your g-gifts.'
'But I can't artificially make myself stupid,' Anthony
objected. 'Nor can you.'
'N-no, but we can use what we've g-got for s-something else.'
'Something we're not suited for,' the other suggested
sarcastically.
Ignoring the mockery, 'As a k-kind of th-thank-offering,'
Brian went on with a still intenser passion of
earnestness.
'For what?'
'For all that we've been g-given. M-money, to start with. And then kn-knowledge,
t-taste, the power to c-c
' He wanted to say 'create,' but had to be content
with 'to do things.' 'B-being a scholar
or an artist it's l-like purs-suing
your p-personal salvation. But there's
also the k-kingdom of G-god. W-waiting to be realized.'
'By the Fabians?' asked Anthony in a tone of pretended
ingenuousness.
'Am-among others.' There was a long half-minute of silence. 'Shall I say it?' Brian was wondering. 'Shall I tell him?' And suddenly, as though a dam had burst, his
irresolution was swept away. 'I've
decided,' he said aloud, and the feeling with which he spoke the words was so
strong that it lifted him, almost without his knowledge, to his feet and sent
him striding restlessly about the room, 'I've decided that I shall g-go on with
ph-philosophy and l-literature and h-history till I'm thirty. Then it'll be time to do something else. S-something more dir-rect.'
'Direct?' Anthony repeated.
'In what way?'
'In getting at p-people. In r-realizing the k-kingdom of G-god
' The very intensity
of his desire to communicate what he was feeling reduced him to dumbness.
Listening to Brian's words, looking up into the serious and
ardent face, Anthony felt himself touched, profoundly, to the quick of his
being
felt himself touched, and, for that very reason, came at once under a
kind of compulsion, as though in self-defence, to
react to his own emotion, and his friend's, with a piece of derision. 'Washing the feet of the poor, for example,'
he suggested. 'And
drying them on your hair. I'll be
awkward if you go prematurely bald.'
Afterwards, when Brian had gone, he felt ashamed of his ignoble
ribaldry humiliated, at the same time, by the unreflecting automatism with
which he had brought it out. Like those pithed frogs that twitch when you apply a drop of acid to
their skin. A
brainless response.
'Damn!' he said aloud, then picked up
his book.
He was deep once more in The Way of Perfection, when
there was a thump at the door and a voice, deliberately harshened
so as to be like the voice of a drill-sergeant on parade, shouted his name.
'These bloody stairs of yours!' said Gerry Watchett
as he came in. 'Why the devil do you
live in such a filthy hole?'
Gerry Watchett was fair-skinned, with
small, unemphatic features and wavy golden-brown
hair. A good-looking young man, but
good-looking, in spite of is height and powerful build, almost to girlish prettiness.
For the casual observer, there was an air about him of Arcadian
freshness and innocence, strangely belied, however, upon a closer examination,
by the hard insolence in his blue eyes, by the faint smile of derision and
contempt that kept returning to his face, by the startling coarseness of those
thick-fingered, short-nailed hands.
Anthony pointed to a chair.
But the other shook his head.
'No, I'm in a hurry. Just rushed
in to say you've got to come to dinner tonight.'
'But I can't.'
Gerry frowned. 'Why not?'
'I've got a meeting of the Fabians.'
'And you call that a reason for not coming to dine with me?'
'Seeing I've promised to
'
'Then I can expect you at eight?'
'But really
'
'Don't be a fool! What
does it matter? A mother's meeting?'
'But what excuse shall I give?
'Any bloody thing you like.
Tell them you've just had twins.'
'All right, then,' Anthony agreed at last. 'I'll come.'
'Thank you very kindly,' said Gerry, with mock politeness. 'I'd have broken your neck if you
hadn't. Well, so long.' At the door he halted. 'I'm having Bimbo Abinger,
and Ted, and Willie Monmouth, and Scroope. I wanted to get old Gorchakov
too: but the fool's gone and got ill at the last moment. That's why I had to ask you,' he added with a
quiet matter-of-factness that was far more offensive than any emphasis could
have been; then turned, and was gone.
'Do you l-like him?' Brian had asked one day when Gerry's name
came up between them. And because the
question evoked an uneasy echo in his own
consciousness, Anthony had answered, with a quite unnecessary sharpness, that
of course he liked Gerry. 'Why else do
you suppose I go about with him?' he had concluded, looking at Brian with
irritable suspicion. Brian made no
reply; and the question had returned like a boomerang upon the asker. Yes, why did he go about with
Gerry? For of course he didn't like the
man; Gerry had hurt and humiliated him, was ready, he
knew, to hurt and humiliate him again on the slightest provocation. Or rather without any provocation at all
just for fun, because it amused to humiliate people, because he had a natural
talent for inflicting pain. So why, why?
Mere snobbery, as Anthony was forced to admit to himself, was
part of the discreditable secret. It was
absurd and ridiculous; but the fact remained, nevertheless, that it pleased him
to associate with Gerry and his friends.
To be the intimate of these young aristocrats and plutocrats, and at the
same time to know himself their superior in
intelligence, taste, judgment, in all the things that really mattered,
was satisfying to his vanity.
Admitting his intellectual superiority, the young barbarians
expected him to pay for their admiration by amusing them. He was their intimate, yes; but as Voltaire
was the intimate of Fredrick the Great, as Diderot of
the Empress Catherine. The resident
philosopher is not easily distinguished from the court fool.
With genuine appreciation, but at the same
time patronizingly, offensively, 'Good for the Professor!' Gerry would
say after one of his sallies. Or,
'Anthony drink for the old Professor,' as though he were an Italian
organ-grinder, playing for pennies.
The prick of remembered humiliation was sharp like an insect's
sting. With sudden violence Anthony
heaved himself out of his chair and began to walk, frowning, up and down the
room.
A middle-class snob tolerated because of his capacities as an
entertainer. The thought was hateful,
wounding. 'Why do I stand it?' he
wondered. 'Why am I such a damned
fool? I shall write Gerry a note to say
I can't come.' But time passed; the note
remained unwritten. For, after all, he
was thinking, there were also advantages, there were also satisfactions. An evening spent with Gerry and his friends
was exhilarating, was educative. Exhilarating
and educative, not because of anything they said or thought for they were all
stupid, all bottomlessly ignorant; but because of
what they were, of what their circumstances had made them. For, thanks to their money and their
position, they were able actually to live in such freedom as Anthony had only
imagined or read about. For them, the
greater number of the restrictions which had always hedged him in did not even
exist. They permitted themselves as a
matter of course licences which he took only in
theory, and which he felt constrained even then to justify with all the
resources of a carefully perverted metaphysics, an ingeniously adulterated
mystical theology. By the mere force of
social and economic circumstances, these ignorant barbarians found themselves
quite naturally behaving as he did not dare to behave even after reading all
Nietzsche had said about the Superman, or Casanova
about women. Nor did they have to study Patanjali or Jacob Boehme in
order to find excuses for their intoxications of wine and sensuality: they just
got drunk and had their girls, like that, as though they were in the Garden of
Eden. They faced life, not diffidently
and apologetically, as Anthony faced it, not wistfully, from behind invisible
bars, but with the serenely insolent assurance of those who know that God
intended them to enjoy themselves and had decreed the unfailing acquiescence of
their fellows in all their desires.
True, they also had their confining prejudices; they too on
occasion were as ready as poor old Brian to lock themselves
up in the prison of a code. But code and
prejudices were of their own particular caste; therefore, so far as Anthony was
concerned, without binding force. Their
example delivered him from the chains that his upbringing had fastened upon
him, but was powerless to bind him with those other chains in which they
themselves walked through life. In their
company the compulsion of respectability, the paralyzing fear of public
opinion, the inhibitory maxims of middle-class prudence fell away from him; but
when Bimbo Abinger indignantly refused even to listen
to the suggestion that he should sell the monstrous old house that was eating
up three-quarters of his income, when Scroope
complained that he would have to go into Parliament, because in his family the
eldest sons had always sat in the House of Commons before coming into the
title, Anthony could only feel the amused astonishment of an explorer watching
the religious articles of a tribe of blackamoors. A rational being does not allow himself to be converted to the cult of Mumbo Jumbo; but he
will have no objection to occasionally going a bit native. The worship of Mumbo Jumbo
means the acceptance of taboos; going native means freedom. 'True Freedom!'
Anthony grinned to himself; his good humour and
equanimity had returned. A snob, a middle-class snob.
No doubt. But there was a reason
for his snobbery, a justification. And
if the lordly young barbarians tended to regard him as a sort of high-class
buffoon well, that was the price he had to pay for their gift of
freedom. There was no price to be paid
for associating with the Fabians; but then, how little they had to give
him! Socialist doctrines might to some
extent theoretically liberate the intellect; but the example of the young
barbarians was a liberation in the sphere of practice.
'So frightfully sorry,' he scribbled in his note to Brian. 'Suddenly remembered I'd
booked myself for dinner tonight.' ('Booked' was one of his father's
words a word he ordinarily detested for its affectation. Writing a lie, he had found it coming
spontaneously to his pen.) 'Alas' (that was also a favourite
locution of his
father's), 'shan't be able to listen to you on sin! Wish I could get out of this, but don't see
how. Yours, A.'
By the time their fruit was on the table they were all pretty
drunk. Gerry Watchett
was telling Scroope about that German baroness he had
had on the boat, on the way to
'Hi, Professor!' A piece of orange-peel struck him on the
cheek. He started and turned round. 'What the hell are you thinking about?' Gerry
Watchett was asking in the purposely harsh voice
which it amused him to put on like a hideous mask.
The momentarily troubled waters of the aquarium had already
returned to rest. A fish once more, a
divine and remotely happy Fish, Anthony smiled at him with serene indulgence.
'I was thinking about Plotinus,' he
said.
'Why Plotinus?'
'Why Plotinus? But, my dear sir,
isn't it obvious? Science is reason, and
reason is multitudinous.' The fish had
found a tongue; eloquence flowed from the aquarium in an effortless stream. 'But if one happens to be feeling
particularly unmultitudinous well, what else
is there to think about except Plotinus? Unless, of course, you
prefer the pseudo-Dionysius, or Eckhart, or St
Teresa. The
flight of the Alone to the Alone.
Even
'There was a Young Fellow of Burma,' Abinger
suddenly declaimed.
'Made quiet,' Anthony repeated more loudly, 'by the power of
harmony
'
'Whose betrothed had good reasons to murmur.'
'And the deep power of joy,' shouted Anthony, 'we see
'
'But now that they're married he's
'Been taking cantharides
'
'We see into the life of things. The life of things, I tell you. The life of things. And damn all Fabians!' he added.
Anthony got back to his lodgings at about a
God, what a fright
!'
'At last!' said Mark Staithes. His emphatically featured face wore an
expression of angry impatience. 'I've
been waiting nearly an hour.' Then, with
contempt, 'You're drunk,' he added.
'As though you'd never been drunk!'
Anthony retorted. 'I remember
'
'So do I,' said Mark Staithes, interrupting him.
'But that was in my first year.'
In his first year, when he had felt it necessary to prove that he was
manly manlier than the toughest of them, noisier, harder-drinking. 'I've got something better to do now.'
'So you imagine,' said Anthony.
The other looked at his watch.
'I've got about seven minutes,' he said.
'Are you sober enough to listen?'
Anthony sat down with dignity and in silence.
Short, but square-shouldered and powerful, Mark stood over him,
almost menacingly. 'It's about Brian,'
he added.
'About Brian?' Then with a knowing smile, 'That reminds me,'
Anthony added, 'I ought to have congratulated you on being our future president.'
'Fool!' said Mark angrily.
'Do you think I go about accepting charity? When he withdrew, I withdrew too.'
'And let that dreary little Mumby
walk into the job?'
'What the devil do I care about Mumby?'
'What do any of us care about anybody?' said Anthony
sententiously. 'Nothing, thank god. Absolutely noth
'
'What does he mean by insulting me like that?'
'Why? Little Mumby?'
'No; Brian, of course.'
'He thinks he's being nice to you.'
'I don't want his damned niceness,' said Mark. 'Why can't he behave properly?'
'Because it amuses him to behave like a
Christian.'
'Well, then, tell him for God's sake to try it on someone else
in future. I don't like having Christian
tricks played on me.'
'You want a cock to fight with, in fact.'
'What do you mean?'
'Otherwise it's no fun being on top of the dunghill. Whereas Brian would like us
all to be jolly little capons together.
Well, so far as dunghills are concerned, I'm all for Brian. It's when we come to the question of the hens
that I begin to hesitate.'
Mark looked at his watch again.
'I must go.' At the door he
turned back. 'Don't forget to tell him
what I've told you. I like Brian, and I
don't want to quarrel with him. But if
he tries being charitable and Christian again
'
'The poor boy will forfeit your esteem for ever,' concluded
Anthony.
'Buffoon!' said Staithes, and,
slamming the door behind him, hurried downstairs.
Left alone, Anthony took the fifth volume of the Historical
Dictionary and began to read what Bayle had to
say about Spinoza.